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je parlais de cette cg sur les pages précédentes justement, moi aussi je cherche des infos à son sujet ( http://forum.hardware.fr/forum2.ph [...] 0&filter=1 )
ces connards de xfx ne veulent même pas me dire si le pcb est selon le modèle de référence car selon eux :
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"We cannot offer any advise on potentially modifying the card, simply due to both legal reasons and company regulations."
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tout ça parce que j'ai mentionné que c'était pour y coller un WB
je leur ai aussi demandé si les composants étaient de même qualité que la version XXX, un tech me répond que oui et va même jusqu'à me dire que les layouts sont les mêmes (alors que sur les minuscules photos on voit bien que non) et un autre me répond :
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To answer your question as best I can, XFX do design their own reference PCB`s, which is similar to ATI`s but is not the same as Saffire, Gainward, Palit etc reference boards
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déjà, on n'a pas la même définition de "modèle de référence" on dirait mais sa phrase voudrait dire que les cartes xfx sont selon le modèle de référence, or la light et la xxx sont déjà différentes entre elles je n'y comprends plus rien j'ai fini par les envoyer ch*er et je prendrai la version xxx pour pas avoir de surprises. en même temps, pour 10€ de plus... mais bon, je voulais quand même la version single bracket
en tout cas, si toi c'est pour garder le ventirad tel quel, je ne donne pas cher des vrm sur le modèle light; ils n'ont pas l'air de bénéficier d'un bon flux.
sinon, si ça intéresse quelqu'un, je mets l'intégralité de la conversation que j'ai eu avec eux ici :
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[ 8/29/2009 5:59:58 PM] Hi, I am planning on purchasing a 4870 1gb to be watercooled and got into one of your products : the Lite édtion (can be seen here on the second range of pictures : http://www.xfxforce.com/en-gb/prod [...] /4870.aspx ) which is exactly what I`m looking for to fit my rig (black pcb + 1 pci bracket). I tried to get some details about this card but couldn`t find any anywhere. I wanted to know what was the difference between this Lite version and the XXX edition. Are the components of the XXX edition of better grade or are the 2 cards basically the same and it is just about the factory overclocking and better heatsink? I`m looking forward to your answers. Best regards, Olivier P
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[THOMAS 9/1/2009 9:18:59 AM] Hi Olivier , you are correct, the only difference are the clock speeds on the memory and the GPU everything else including all components and layout are identical. You can compare each model by ticking the compare box by each model. I hope this helps, best regards. Tom.
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[ 9/1/2009 12:26:31 PM] Hi Tom, Thank you for answering so quickly. About the list in the link I gave above, I`m getting a little bit lost among all the product names : HD-487A-ZWFC / HD-487A-ZHFL / HD-487A-ZHFC etc. are all 1Gb models, but how do I know which one is which? Furthermore, you said that the layouts are the same but comparing these 2 pictures : http://www.xfxforce.com/ecms.ashx/ [...] 54x312.jpg
http://www.xfxforce.com/ecms.ashx/ [...] 54x312.jpg
we can see on the second picture (lite version) that, to the right of the card, there 3 blue standard capacitors (not solid state capacitors) which are not present in the first picture (xxx version), one of which is between the 2 power connectors. In the first picture, the power connectors are side by side. Also, in the first picture, there are 3 mounting holes on the right ledge. Does that mean that 3rd party cooling solutions cannot be mounted on the Lite version? What about waterblocks? Can they be fitted on the Lite version too or are there really less mounting holes? Or is it that the pictures do not depict what the cards really look like? I`m sorry for being so picky about the layout`s differences, but I`m trying to make the best choice to meet my needs and I don`t want to make the wrong one. Than you Best regards, Olivier
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[THOMAS 9/1/2009 4:50:50 PM] Hi Oliver, sorry to clarify each card may have many revisions so each comparative revision should generally be the same , but of course something can change without notice such as Vram manufacturers which may necessitate a change mid revision. 487A-ZHFC and ZHFL are exactly the same card but in different packaging and the only difference with the 487A-ZWFC is that this card isnt HDCP enabled. Please also bear in mind that by removing the stock cooler you may be invalidating your warranty. Also XFX prodcue thier own ATI cards which may not be a reference design. Hope this clarifys things. Regards. Tom.
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[ 9/1/2009 6:59:04 PM] Hi again. Thank you for these details, they are indeed useful. Since, as you mention, the design is not necessarily according to the refenrence one, I will contact my local dealer for waterblock compatibility questions. About the warranty, I`m fully aware of the "risks", but the geek inside seems to be stronger than the reasonable one Thank you again. Regards, Olivier
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[SHAUN_T 9/2/2009 3:48:08 PM] Hi Olivier, no problem, glad we could help out. If you need anymore help in the future, please let us know. Kind regards, Shaun.
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[ 9/2/2009 3:52:58 PM] Hi. One more question about the layout of the 2 models. You said "Also XFX prodcue thier own ATI cards which may not be a reference design." By "may" do you mean that the cards are actually not according to reference design? In fact, I got a picture to check waterblock compatibility with EK Waterblocks and I need to know which design corresponds to XFX cards. Here is the pic : http://www.docmicro.com/images/pie [...] LUV3.1.jpg Regards, Olivier
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[JAMES 9/4/2009 3:17:53 PM] Hi, thanks for your message, we may be able to help more with this if you give us your serial number. kind regards, james
[ 9/4/2009 3:35:11 PM] Hi, As you may read in my first message, I said : "I am planning on purchasing a 4870 1gb". Therefore, no serial number yet What I will purchase depends on your answer. Please read the whole thread to better understand my question. Thank you. Olivier
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[PAULV 9/4/2009 3:54:44 PM] Hi, thanks for your message and for letting us know. As changing the standard cooler void the warranty we cannot provide info on this Olivier, we are not allowed to, although producers of watercooling units are able to give thorough details on reference designs and none ref designs. Hope all goes well, however if any queries or problems please keep us posted. Kind regards Paul
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[ 9/5/2009 11:57:00 AM] Hi, Well, quite weird of you to give a start of an answer and then back off. One of you techs already said some boards are not according to reference design, I only needed to know which one. I don`t see why you wouldn`t be allowed to answer this simple question, forgetting about all I said about removing the cooler. Well, if XFX doesn`t want to let a customer buy one of his products, for which warranty is included in the price (or free?), and allow that customer to say "you don`t have to care about me anymore since I`m going to void the warranty" (which for me would mean, less worry for XFX in case the card breaks down), that`s just too bad. Either that customer is gonna give it a try, make the wrong choice of card and then say "XFX s*cks, they refused to give me information about their products, last product I`m buying from them", or he`s gonna buy another brand. Either way, one less customer. XFX`s call. That being said, please close this ticket if my question is to remain unanswered. Olivier.
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[PAULV 9/8/2009 4:44:19 PM] Hi, thanks for for letting us know. Whether you choose to buy an XFX product is entirely up to you Olivier. Our job is to give support as best as we can, not push sales im afraid. We cannot offer any advise on potentially modifying the card, simply due to both legal reasons and company regulations. Anything else, yes, no problem, ask away. But surely you can understand our reasoning as this ticket subject is borderline. To answer your question as best I can, XFX do design their own reference PCB`s, which is similar to ATI`s but is not the same as Saffire, Gainward, Palit etc reference boards. Pretty confident that a renowned water cooling supplier will do their homework in finding which cards will and wont fit, so you should be able to ensure that the water cooler you are going to use is compatible before hand. Hope all goes well whatever you choose to do, Kind regards Paul
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ps : désolé, pas de traduc, un peu la flemme mais le traducteur google est votre ami  ---------------
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